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Capital Classic Becoming Political Again


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Jeremy Simon
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By now everyone has seen the drama in Huntington surrounding WV Governor Jim Justice wanting Doc Holliday out at Marshall. However, the push for that regime change is not the only task on Justice's radar. 

 

BGS is told by contacts at Marshall that he is also ready to push for the return of the Capital Classic in Charleston. 

 

Of course the Capital Classic hasn't been played since 2015 when WVU failed to renew the contract with The Herd. It is assumed that much of Huggins reluctance to continue the series had to do with attendance and the fact that Herd coach D'Antoni talked a little trash after their last meeting. 

 

Do not be surprised if legislature arises again, this time from Justice, requiring the two to renew the series. From what I am told football is not being discussed though. 



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Football should be discussed.  I would rather see WVU play Marshall than a 1-AA school.  I also believe the Capital Classic should return but I would prefer to see it rotate between the schools, hopefully when students are in town. 


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If I were Coach Huggins I would immediately offer to play Marshall in Charleston in an exhibition game for both teams on the last Saturday in October. This would replace the game in Beckley against WVU-Tech. Suggest donating profits to a mutually agreed upon charity and stick to your guns. 

 

As far as football, WVU should stick with the 2 for 1 demand until the Joan is expanded and sold out for the game. 



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Justice needs to stay the heck out of sports.  No other state has politicians quite like WV has.  You don't see, for example, the Louisiana Governor trying to push LSU to play Louisiana-Monroe.  Leave politics out of sports.  He needs to leave his nose out of stuff like that.  If he threatens any WVU funding over this, then it needs to be plastered on every news and sports site in the US.  Like shining lights on cockroaches.

 

I have been sooooo disappointed in what I have seen from this sideshow of a Governor so far.  The guy complains about government funding, yet doesn't pay his own taxes.  Yes, I understand that his paying taxes won't solve the funding issues, but it's the principle of the thing.


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A. Justice is an embarrassment as a governor. Has back taxes and acts just like a whiny three year old. Actually he's repping the democrats really well. Ha.

B. No. I want nothing to do with Marshall. They do absolutely nothing for us. It's not WVU's job to take care of them.
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If I were Coach Huggins I would immediately offer to play Marshall in Charleston in an exhibition game for both teams on the last Saturday in October. This would replace the game in Beckley against WVU-Tech. Suggest donating profits to a mutually agreed upon charity and stick to your guns. 

 

As far as football, WVU should stick with the 2 for 1 demand until the Joan is expanded and sold out for the game. 

I've been the Coliseum and in Huntington when the teams played in the past and even though it's been 30+ years, I doubt much will have changed.  Marshall will be SRO and the students will come out to heckle the Herd in Morgantown.  And like it or not, with the style of play implemented by the Herd, it would be good system to face given the amount of 3 point shooting teams that are out there. 

I understand why Huggins doesn't want to play Marshall and while I can see things from his perspective, I do not agree with him.  He claims it's not his responsibility to help Marshall but the reality is, he got tired of playing a team that put so much effort into this game while his guys could never match the intensity.  While his team only lost once to Marshall, the match-up was troublesome for WVU at times.  In my mind, the AD's should take it out of the coaches hands and schedule the games at it is good for the state. 

As to football, I have no problem with a 2-1.  I just think they should play given that WVU plays some pretty poor teams.  The claim for not playing Marshall is that it does not benefit WVU nationally but neither does Youngstown State, Delaware State or James Madison.  I know many of the Marshall fans are asinine and ignorant but that is the case with every school, including WVU.  Logistically, it makes sense and I would rather see the state of West Virginia benefit than playing against 1-AA teams or scheduling MAC teams. 


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I agree the governor and legislature need to stay out of delegating any sports games, but we're dealing with the reality of WV politics. You'd better have a plan to head them off if they stick their noses in.



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Do sports not play a role in economic activity?  And given that legislatures direct half a billion dollars to higher education, why should the stay out of the issue if the result of their meddling benefits the state and respective districts.



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If economic reasons were the only basis for which the government should be involved in forcing this game then this would be a socialist republic.
If it is meant to be played then it will reemerge on its own, as it did before, but right now there is not much desire for this game.
One could argue the same for playing Youngstown St, Delaware St, or James Madison. But playing the instate opponent (I will not call them a rival) should be done when it means something a little more than playing those other opponents and right now I don't think it does to most.
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Not trying to beat a dead horse but given that both the state and federal constitution assigns authority to the elected representatives involving commerce, how is that socialism since intercollegiate athletics essentially is in this day and age, little more than commerce?  I get the rest of the arguments and while I disagree with them, I can their point.  With the claim of socialism, I cannot 


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The legislature passed laws regarding the administration of higher education in WV and they were signed by the governor granting the authority over athletic departments to the school presidents. Under his authority, scheduling games is done by athletic directors in a manner they consider consistent with the values and goals of their schools.

 

It would be an abuse of power if the governor or legislature intervened and forced the schools to play a schedule based upon their preferences. The success or failure of any institution of higher learning is not and cannot be based upon ticket sales for athletic events. The State of WV now provides only 14% of the university's $1 billion budget and none of the athletic department outside of TIFF financing for the baseball park. In what world does a 14% stakeholder dictate operations? 

 

The State of West Virginia has much more pressing problems that need to be dealt with by the elected representatives. For the executive or legislative branches of government to dictate football schedules may or may not be socialism, but it is a heavy handed abuse of power. Would the State Supreme Court Justices also have a right to choose a game for each team?


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You both make great arguments. Whether I agree or not I always appreciate the knowledge and unique insight you all bring. Much respect to both of you.
Sane, maybe instead of my claiming the move as socialism I should have stated instead that it feels a little to close to socialism for me personally. Or as Harley stated it perfectly "heavy handed" by the Governor.

As the old adage goes about debating politics or religion this one is teetering that line.
I would much rather debate things that are far less serious lol.

When the football game was first brought back I was excited for it and there seemed to be a bit of a buzz, but by the end the novelty had clearly run its course. (Even with the close games)
While the basketball game continued, to me it had just become an annoyance as I wanted to get past it. And by the atmosphere of the game and the WVU players body language and play seemed to display those same feelings.
I would rather play a James Madison type team than Marshall. With a JMadison type there is no pretentious build up or promotion to sell you something that most WVU fans don't buy into. I'm guessing that the Marshall fan base and players care way more. Just give me JM in an early season tune up who we are supposed to roll over and probably will roll over. Gain some confidence and playing time for the younger guys and listen to Huggs complain about how poorly they played after winning by 30 pts.
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I can appreciate that Showmee.  I agree that political debates can become contentious but my point remains that both our legislative and executive branch of governments are constitutionally charged with oversight including direction of commerce activities.  I can respect your decision, I just happen to disagree with it, as I do with Mike above.  While he makes a logical argument, he neglects the responsibility of elected officials, who have a constitutional responsibly to serve their constituents.  No law or issuance of administration relieves legislatures or leaders of the executive branch of that responsibility.  While I'm not trying to get into a political debate, to imply it does would validate claims from administrative agencies of constitutional duties that they are simply not authorized under the Federal or State Constitution regardless of how heavy handed one views the actions of duly elected legislatures.  


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I can certainly appreciate all three sides of this triangular debate, but for me it's time to agree to disagree. Sincere thanks to both of you gentlemen for debating such an emotionally charged issue in an articulate, thoughtful and respectful manner. That is something you will rarely find in our state and federal legislative bodies anymore.

 

I wish other members and guests would add their opinion regarding whether WVU and Marshall should resume the game in Charleston, perhaps a little earlier in the season. Putting the political aspects aside, is there still sufficient demand by fans to justify the game? The Kanawha Valley is still the largest population area in the state and seems to be fairly evenly divided in allegiance to WVU and Marshall.  For many, it seems to present a very nice opportunity for those who cannot travel to see the teams they support.

 

What do you guys think? Unlike some other fan boards, you won't be personally attacked on this forum regardless of any team you support. Well, maybe Pitt!


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Politics aside, which personally I think they should stay out of it.  As a WVU fan I agree with Sane.  I'd like to see that game rather than and FCS school.  I can see why WVU coaches don't want it though.  Nothing really to gain and everything to lose.


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I agree with you and Sane that they should play, Peel. It makes sense as an early season non-conference game for both teams. I am a diehard WVU fan but I also like Marshall and Coach Holliday. I do believe it should be 2 for 1 in football because of the limited capacity at Joan C Edwards Stadium. 

 

The timing of the game was wrong in Charleston as it was mostly a perk for the state legislature. However, it certainly drew some huge crowds in Morgantown for football which is good for the fans as well as the athletic budgets of the schools. I just do not want it to be forced, I would rather it be enticed.



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I like that "Enticed and not forced."  Are you a politician Harley?  haha


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Marshall's Faculty Senate unanimously signed a document basically telling Jim Justice to mind his own business and that they didn't wanna play politics with their President, Athletic Director, and Head Football Coach.

 

Yet, they had ZERO problems with Bingo Joe Manchin forcing WVU to play them.

 

I didn't vote for Jim Justice, and am not surprised with all of his shenanigans... although I will admit, the plate of bullsh*t did take me by surprise. I wish the GOP had put up a better choice than the car salesman Bill Cole.

 

However, I do see Gordon Gee giving in to JJ and re-igniting the Coal Bowl or Capital Classic... Gee has mentioned in the past he'd be open to letting WVU play Marshall.

 

On a closing note, I had a weird dream that Gordon Gee became the President of Marshall University. What the hell did I eat that night!?


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Jim, it was more likely something you drank to cause a nightmare like that!






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